John Kerry responds to COP28 president's claim there's 'no science' behind fossil fuel phase out

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John Kerry, U.S. special presidential envoy for climate, speaks at a COP28 session between the U.S., China, UAE and Nigeria on the global need to reduce methane emissions in Dubai on Dec. 2, 2023.

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Dubai, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES — U.S. climate envoy John Kerry said countries must prioritize the fight to keep global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius after it was revealed the COP28 president claimed there was “no science” behind calls for a phase out of fossil fuels.

In comments first reported on Sunday by The Guardian and investigative journalism organization the Centre for Climate Reporting, COP28 President and United Arab Emirates climate chief Sultan Al-Jaber suggested a fossil fuel phase out would not allow sustainable development “unless you want to take the world back into caves.”

The remarks, which were made by Al-Jaber during a live online event on Nov. 21, were described as “farcical” by climate scientists.

Asked to respond to Al-Jaber’s comments, Kerry replied, “That’s not the argument.”

“The G7 countries voted that there should be a phasing out of unmitigated fossil fuel emissions and what there is science for is keeping 1.5 degrees as your North Star,” Kerry told CNBC’s Tania Bryer at the COP28 climate summit on Sunday.

“Every decision we make should be geared to say, ‘does this advance the 1.5 degrees or is it going to be more destructive and take us in the wrong direction?'”

A spokesperson for COP28 wasn’t immediately available to comment when asked about Al-Jaber’s comments.

A spokesperson for COP28 told The Guardian: “The IEA and IPCC 1.5C scenarios clearly state that fossil fuels will have to play a role in the future energy system, albeit a smaller one. The COP president was quoting the science, and leading climate experts.

“Once again, this is clearly part of a continued effort to undermine the Cop presidency’s tangible achievements and a misrepresentation of our position and successes to date,” they said.

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“People are arguing that the fossil fuel industry, which is obviously responsible for the emissions that are going up, needs to step up and do more. I think that Sultan al-Jaber would say that — I say that certainly. They can and must do more in order to solve this problem much more rapidly,” Kerry said.

“We are in a race against time, and I know that everybody here does accept that concept,” he added.

The 1.5 degrees Celsius temperature threshold is widely recognized as crucial because so-called tipping points become more likely beyond this level. Tipping points are thresholds at which small changes can lead to dramatic shifts in Earth’s entire life support system.